AS A SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY COUNTY.
Jennongs County 2A document
2A Sanctuary Proposal for Jefferson County
Jennings County did not seek an ordinance – only a resolution by their Sherriff. On the official file I saw it had a place for deputies to sign but none did. Their resolution addresses only the legal use of firearms. It does not mention nor imply anything about “proficiency” (target practice) nor does it mention anything about governing bodies. It’s simply a resolution that states Jennings County will enforce all existing federal and state laws and then places massive conditions on whether or not they decide to enforce any new state laws. For the record- I believe Indiana law does not allow local entities to enact laws which supersede state laws. So it appears as if Jennings County had an understanding they could not just ignore State and Federal regulation. Furthermore the only law enforcement that has signed on at this time is the Sherriff. In addition it’s a resolution- the same type of action which decrees or declares certain days as special recognition days such as Official Regatta Day in Jefferson County.
The Frankfort issue is very different. It is in fact an ordinance or county law. Commissioners signed into local law on 1/22/13. It basically says that the Sherriff of Franklin County will take any actions needed to prevent the enforcement of any federal law related to 2A.
Bottom line- the local effort is nothing like the only other 2 counties which have “something”. Those who support gun owner rights will not benefit from the proposed ordinance. In fact, they will see a decline in support- nothing more nothing less. It’s probably better for us to continue to support our legal rights & support law enforcement as they do enforce our gun laws and help keep each other safe than it is to enact an ordinance that says you can’t regulate or limit shooting ranges & target practice. In addition those locals who piled onto this effort in hopes of “slitting throats” are probably not a neighbor we might want next door. Hope the info helps you decide where you stand on this proposal.tjh
Regarding why the group is pursuing an ordinance I can find no answer which justifies such stringent action. There have been no 2A complaint filings against any enforcement officers, nor have there been any recent court proceedings concerning 2A filings. I cannot find any action where law enforcement removed guns by force nor has there even been action enforcing Indiana's Red Flag law which was enacted by a republican house at the request of law enforcement & domestic abuse advocates to remove weapons from a person who was mentally or emotionally unstable & represented a danger to self or others. Sooooo... its fair to say that our law enforcement officers have acted within the USA Constitution as well as Indiana's. Keep in mind 2A addresses a well armed militia; Indiana's constitution goes further to say to protect self & property. There is no mention on the groups page of any police officer misconduct resulting in an unconstitutional removal of weapons. There's no reason anywhere that explains their "urgency" to justify such harsh action.
But what is interesting is how the ordinance moves vastly beyond state & federal rights to include selling guns & ammunition as well as target practice. The ordinance is so vast it carries on about how " without further license, permission, restriction, delay, or process" ...which means that not only would this ordinance hinder legal & constitutionally sound interventions by local law enforcement it would hinders even the simplest of things like intervening if your neighbor fires a gun in your backyard.
BUT it even goes further-it jumps into other regulatory issues such as zoning (do you want a firing range in your neighborhood?)Specifically it states that we as a community may not enact: "any ordinance, rule, regulation, resolution, practice, or other action or any threat of citation,prosecution, or other legal process,... (restricting who and when) may own, possess, purchase, acquire, transport, store, carry, sell, transfer, manufacture, or keep any firearm, part of a firearm, its components, its ammunition, including the right to shoot and maintain proficiency."
It's the statements about not allowing any regulatory issue & those addressing the right to shoot and maintain proficiency which catches my eye & I'm sure will draw attention of everyday citizens. If we cannot regulate WHERE & WHEN & WHO is selling firearms and practicing then we cannot keep firing ranges out of residential districts or require them to be so many feet from a school or church. Its an incredibly dangerous idea.
So again, I cannot find any record in this county of any 2A issue excluding the zoning issue for Chappos which was NOT a 2A issue- it was about money. I think its a fair assumption to believe that the Chappos have found someone to lead a battle that they have repeatedly lost in the courts. Unless I'm missing something on the 2A page & associated pages & websites this entire thing is either Chappos or an overreaction to things outside our county be it Virginia or the goofy stuff in Jennings County which resulted in a different type of 2A declaration.
I honestly do not see our current commissioners approving something that restricts law enforcement, plan commission, zoning boards, even the new county comprehensive plan. Furthermore, declaring in writing you are willing to violate state & federal laws is probably not a wise decision- then there's that pesky thing about penalizing law enforcement 10% of their pay. Hope that helps Tjh
For what its worth the reason this country has worked well all these years is that we have laws we must all follow and that police are sworn to enforce. If those laws are unfair or against the will the people then we have a great system to deal with that. Its called the courts. Ms. Chapo had her chance in local and state courts, I'm told. And she lost. But after the local and state courts that leaves the supreme court and honestly a bunch of young vigilantes are not nearly as qualified to make choices about which laws follow the constitution as those people are. I'm not in favor of this sanctuary scam with local government but I'm a big gun rights advocate. But there's no reason to do this. Our local officers are doing a fine job using common sense and they haven't gone overboard on anything. So I think JBs point that we just need some common sense is a good one. After all this group was talking about slitting throats and attacking some of our government buildings. So no, let the adults continue to decide and lets trust the supreme court not some kid with a petition trying to promote his personal business.
People its pretty obvious if you read the proposed ordinance that this nothing more than Chappo trying to sneak in something about “proficiency”. Which means target shooting folks. There’s no way local police are going overboard on enforcing Indiana laws in fact I’d say it’s the opposite direction. They don’t use the red flag law nearly enough with all our domestic abuse. So here’s no reason to do this ordinance it just opens the county back up to Chappos craziness from where she didn’t get zoning.
I want to be clear here. I have for many years in the military and as a law enforcement officer carried a firearm. I do have a concealed carry permit and often carry a firearm.
I support your right to protect yourself, your property and your family. No one is coming tonight, armed, with the intent to take that right from you.
My self nor The Madison Free Press are neither for or against the proposed 2A ordinance proposal....
That being said...The phrase "Second Amendment sanctuary" is an umbrella term used to describe a jurisdiction that passes a resolution declaring that restrictive gun control laws another legislative body passes are unconstitutional and will not be enforced here; such as declaring that the county will not comply with any federal or state gun laws that they view as unconstitutional.
The resolutions can vary, but generally, Second Amendment sanctuaries refuse to dedicate resources to enforcing laws and bans on certain weapons and to forcibly disarm their fellow citizens.
It is important to note that these resolutions DO NOT carry the force of law or legal authority,the notion that you can have a locality void a state or federal law by declaring itself sanctuary simply is not going to hold up in court.
But laws, at the end of the day, need somebody to enforce them, and many sheriffs and police officers in counties where Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions have been passed support their communities' decisions, or at the bare minimum, aren't willing to stringently enforce the legislatures' laws.
State and federal laws cannot be effectively enforced by only state and federal law enforcers. Cops and local sheriffs who make laws they don't like their lowest priority aren't doing anything illegal, but their decision effectively nullifies the laws in question for all but the boldest and biggest law-breakers.
If a local Sheriff, Prosecutor and Judge refuse to enforce the laws of the state; the state & feds. can send in their own law enforcers to prosecute the Sheriff, Prosecutor, Judge and in the end the county pays for all expenses of any state prosecutions.
Just because the county declares itself a sanctuary does not mean you have the right to commit a crime by disregarding the law of the land! JB
Admin reply: Common Sense and Sensibility should prevail here.
As a legal gun owner and a true believer in the Second Amendment. I find the sudden need or approach of a so called sanctuary city gun law a bit premature. I have not seen any major changes or attempted changes by State or Federal Government that would take away our guns. What I have seen is a huge amount of fake internet media provoking such a need for legislation. As a lawful gun owner with a concealed carry permit. I'll be damned if the government will take my guns. I have no problems with having a background check done when I purchase a legal firearm. What I don't understand is why any other law abiding gun owning citizen would oppose background checks for all new and used firearms sold at gun stores or gun shows. It's a fact that many people and some convicted felons, travel to gun shows just to purchase guns, knowing that a background check won't happen. I'm not talking about a family member who wants to give or sale a gun to another family member. I'm talking about people who are taking advantage of no background check system at gun shows to just make money with no care about the consequences of the sale of the guns bring. I wish the Second Amendment was a little explanatory. Like why I can't we own a tank, or a fifty caliber machine gun, grenades and so many other government restricted weapons. Where does it start and where does it stop??? If one truly thinks by owning weapons like AR-15's to protect ourselves from a Government/Military takeover. You will be majorly outgunned. Don't be naive. We won't win.
2A Sanctuary City resolutions remind me of certain national events in the 1850s-1860s. Fervent racism, nationalism and nativism have all been percolating pretty heavily this past decade, and with certain other national events this year, could be headed toward a full boil. All that's missing is some local groups that believe city/county rights trump that of the State and the Federal government, but we need a polarizing issue that these widespread but isolated groups could rally around, so that maybe they could organize a loose confederacy to support each other on so that they could stand up to our Federal system of government.
Sheriff Freeman is a personality, and the circus he was leading last week is an impotent dog-whistle for votes. Any so-called law man that would declare that they would not support the rule of law as legislated by the State is in office for self-serving purposes, and I don't mean just to collect a paycheck, they are there for self-aggrandizement, the furtherance of personal political beliefs, or a mix of the two, and they are dangerous individuals that have the potential to lead to civil unrest, violations of civil liberties and the rise of a police state.
The State and Federal government have a duty to shut down little big-men loud mouths and prove them wrong before some group of fools actually believe what comes out of their mouths and act on it.
The over reaction by some local young man and the downtown soap shop has given a bad look to gun ownership. There’s no reason to fan local outrage at a problem that doesn’t exist. Pretending that local police are enforcing unreasonable state or federal laws is just a dangerous lie. Tying the hands of law enforcement by threatening to cut pay is dangerous. Talking about judges only having 24 hours to respond is dangerous. Threatening to slit throats or create a local civilian army is dangerous. At first I thought I might join the group but crazy doesn’t really describe what’s going on there. Besides that if you just check a little bit you’ll find this kids story doesn’t add up. No real credentials except being an angry young kid.
I finally got a look at the proposed 2A county ordinance (thanks JB). If the county commissioners pass something like the one posted above; they all three should be dragged out of the courthouse and ran out of the county.
After a a quick look at all the screen shots sent & a review of a local page here is some preliminary info: yes Chappo is involved- whether she initiated the page or simply was invited to help I'd have to learn more. However, that's not really an important concern- Several thing jump out- The admin of this page had to delete numerous violent posts, posts threatening others & posts advocating what he calls "throat slitting". He is clear that promoting violence was not his intent. Its just as clear he missed some posts that do just that.
Probably what caught my attention most was the clear lack of understanding as to what they were asking. Should Jefferson County decide to ignore federal or state laws- the federal government can & will do as they often have & say "OK- then no more state or federal funds for grants, roads, bridges etc." Furthermore, the state & feds can assume jurisdiction as needed for crimes. There is a bill at the state house which proposes that the attorney generals can come into any county (at the county's expense) & prosecute laws which the county has not enforced. Win or lose- the county pays providing this new law is passed. Then there's the pesky state police who are sworn to upload the laws of the state & they supersede county & city law enforcement. Of course those on the left will argue if Jefferson County becomes a 2A sanctuary then why not also make it an Immigration sanctuary? While this group seems to be getting a great deal of attention- Im not sure those who have joined the group are actually reading the posts or even their proposed statement.
For example- this group wants anyone who enforces the laws to be penalized 10% of their salary. Do you really want law enforcement to be afraid to deal with armed persons simply because they get their pay docked? You have elected officials & key government employees who have liked the page but seem unaware the posts are bashing those same officials & persons. Ill get back with you with more information- but right now I'd give the admin time to clean up the group & page- they have a large group of persons promoting violence with an admin that says they "aren't at that point YET." Tami