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Is tourism down in madison? Usually when a cities government is doing well...like police. Health care...court system. The cities residents are doing well. But downtown always looks so empty? Guess it's always that way. Just never noticed?

Added: February 17, 2025 05:31:23 AM
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The Miss Madison Inc issue is not the scandal the mayor has made it out to be. The board hasn’t been negligent or acted irresponsibly. The city does NOT own anything and although there has been ample slander and liable out of the city- the MMI board has generally acted within reason. Here are the facts:

I can’t explain why the mayor would state, imply or otherwise threaten that he was going to stop any sale of MMI boats. Negotiations began in November of 24 and the sale was FINAL December 23d 20024. It was public knowledge or at least a well heard rumor by Thanksgiving. The boats were sold for a very fair price. The deal is final. The mayor knew all of that when he announced to the public he was going to “take action.” But he also knew something else- which I will explain towards the end of the report.

Furthermore, no one seems to be able to figure out what the mayor thought the city owned that the board had sold illegally without “city permission.” Most just have said something like, “you know Bob” or “He needed attention” or worse related to drinking or temper tantrums. The point is even city council persons have stated no one really knows why Bob “flew into a multi press release rage- spewing out misinformation and outright lies.” But again, there is more to the story than who owns what boat.

There is ample evidence that it was MMI property that was sold- not city - MMI has insurance documents that lists MMI (NOT the city) as the insured. AND- MMI has tax records that show they owned boats and held cash in MMI’s name as a public 501c3 charity. AND- According to TWO past city clerk treasurers, to their knowledge the city never carried any hydroplane assets on their books, nor did they receive revenue or hold assets identified as connected in any way to MMI or insure boats. AND- There are NO city records -either city council, board of public works or clerk treasurer which show a public discussion about buying or owning any MMI assets including a boat.

HOWEVER-The city has provided municipal trailer and truck plates for MMI – which didn’t cost the city anything. AND- the truth is the city would not likely have ever owned a boat or ran a boat because of substantial liability, as well as cost. Many have correctly pointed out that citizens would be outraged that roads are a mess and trash and water fees have skyrocketed but the city is the hydroplane boat business.

Finally, we have to ask, was MMI obligated to continue to attempt to own and operate a boat if they knew crowd sizes had declined for numerous years, owners had withdrawn or entirely dropped from the circuit, and strong sponsors were few and far between? The answers are obvious-NO, they weren’t obligated to continue to operate at a loss in a dying sport. Should they have taken advantage of excellent opportunities to liquidate boats without sponsors and adequate funding to race safely and with a winning vision? NO, the board was not obligated to make horrendous business choices so Madison could claim they had a hometown boat. While sad for some- it’s entirely logical and predictable to most. The sale is final – the mayor never had any intentions or ability to stop the sale.

Here's the rest of the story. MMI’s taxes will be filed the 3d quarter of this year for 2024- it is expected to show right about ONE MILLION in cash. MMI board had decided the remaining funds after balances due, would be shifted to REGATTA. When past board members and informed community stake holders were asked why the mayor misled the community and why Bob had told everyone the board members had sold property they didn’t own and implying other unethical and illegal actions----their opinion was the mayor was looking for a way to get his hands on the MONEY. And so he has and coincidentally, he has announced there will be no boat in 2025 and things are being “discussed for 2026”. But now the mayor controls ONE MILLION DOLLARS- cash without city council oversight or citizen input. Where do you think it will go?


Added: February 16, 2025 08:01:25 PM
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Who were the 2024 MMI members that approved the sale for Mr. Grooms to enrich himself?

How did these members become members of MMI?

Did Grooms appoint or handpick the MMI members?

Is it to late for the State Police to investigate this unfortunate THEFT!?

Did Grooms retire from Clifty Engineering or was he asked to leave?

Bob Hughes has turned over in his grave many times over this mess.

So who bought all the assets and boats in Seattle?
Was it Beacon Plumbing?

Has Grooms committed any crimes?

It's all sad! Never allow the Fox to guard the chicken 🐔 house.


Added: February 13, 2025 12:53:23 PM
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How in the world is Charlie Grooms the only person who makes the decisions on the Miss Madison boats and equipment ??? This information was never made public about Home Street backing out and the boat being in so much debt. Sad situation. Didnt he get enough money from Bob Hughes to pay these debts. Pathetic situation ....and there goes the Madison Regatta!!!

Added: February 13, 2025 12:05:59 PM
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Who was on the MMI board with Charlie Gromms in November 2024? I failed to see this in the paper.
Is it really a good idea to have City employees on this new board? Should the Mayor be on this board ever? I think it's odd the Mayor talks of Transparency and MMI. He has hid things from the Public since Day 1.
Women can also be on this Board Bob.
Has Bob Hughes widow been contacted at all about this matter?
Was anyone else besides Mr.Grooms allowed to look for Sponsorship of the boat?
We in Indiana pride ourselves of Tourism for the entire State. The Governor may have wanted to use the boat for this purpose at the other 4 race sites.

I don't know if it was right to loan money to the Charity and then have 2 boats racing knowing that I was going then going to cash the boat out in order for my Loan to get paid back.


Added: February 12, 2025 08:31:25 PM
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So I thought Scudder was retiring, he's still here?

Added: February 12, 2025 11:37:51 AM
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The Miss Madison boats, raced every year at the Madison Regatta, are gone according to the Madison, Indiana mayor.

He said the Miss Madison board sold the boats without permission.


Added: February 12, 2025 11:33:21 AM
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Madison officials have the policy if no one complaines then it's OK to do. They have kept the public out of everything. Which then creates opportunity for people to take advantage. Whether it be embezzlement or fraud? Like the children's advocacy center . Cost 500 k to rebuild. And only worth 200k? What is that? And what does the place do? No children go there..my guess is just future funding from the state. People too greedy.

Added: February 12, 2025 11:16:37 AM
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Tony Steinhardt Jr. Could not have been
Removed here in February 2025. As he recently passed in December of 2024.
Tony Steinhardt III works for the City of Madison


Added: February 12, 2025 11:14:22 AM
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Seems like alot of people don't know the inter workings of MMI. Which includes a list of family members free access to rooms, food events, most likely free air transportation while some of the mechanics who donated their time were left at home.People who given the royal treatment and never saw the Miss Madison shop. And believe me they had some really good mechanics. Too mafreeloaders on the guest list.
Why do you think Home Town dropped the sponsorship. Need to get their side in this.
And get Clifty Engineering in on this.alot of nonsense going on for years. It finally caught up. And now a silent AUCTION. Follow the money trail. Let's see who got the cash.


Added: February 12, 2025 11:01:00 AM
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